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	<title>Comments on: Google Puts an END to Fancy Link Schemes</title>
	<link>http://www.shaunlow.com/google-puts-an-end-to-fancy-link-schemes/</link>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sephy's Platzish</title>
		<link>http://www.shaunlow.com/google-puts-an-end-to-fancy-link-schemes/#comment-2190</link>
		<dc:creator>Sephy's Platzish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 06:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.shaunlow.com/google-puts-an-end-to-fancy-link-schemes/#comment-2190</guid>
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Ups (and Downs) of Technorati...&lt;/strong&gt;

This week's Tuesday Think Tank came as the result of a request from Julie, who had some questions about Technorati and why her ranking has been changing recently. If you have something you want to hav......</description>
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<p>This week&#8217;s Tuesday Think Tank came as the result of a request from Julie, who had some questions about Technorati and why her ranking has been changing recently. If you have something you want to hav&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Balancing Act Of Blogging &#124; Shaun Low</title>
		<link>http://www.shaunlow.com/google-puts-an-end-to-fancy-link-schemes/#comment-1694</link>
		<dc:creator>The Balancing Act Of Blogging &#124; Shaun Low</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 06:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.shaunlow.com/google-puts-an-end-to-fancy-link-schemes/#comment-1694</guid>
		<description>[...] -Link trains or viral link exchanges: This is a system that involves a bunch of websites or blogs that create a system that intricately links each site involved in the link train with each other. This system greatly increases the amount of inbound links to your site. Google had no rules against these linking systems until just recently. You can check out full details of Google&#8217;s attempt to stomp out these link trains here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] -Link trains or viral link exchanges: This is a system that involves a bunch of websites or blogs that create a system that intricately links each site involved in the link train with each other. This system greatly increases the amount of inbound links to your site. Google had no rules against these linking systems until just recently. You can check out full details of Google&#8217;s attempt to stomp out these link trains here. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Link Sharing: 8/23/07 &#187; Webomatica - tech, movies, music blog</title>
		<link>http://www.shaunlow.com/google-puts-an-end-to-fancy-link-schemes/#comment-938</link>
		<dc:creator>Link Sharing: 8/23/07 &#187; Webomatica - tech, movies, music blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 22:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.shaunlow.com/google-puts-an-end-to-fancy-link-schemes/#comment-938</guid>
		<description>[...] Google Puts And End To Fancy Link Schemes: All those &#8220;link trains&#8221; may not help you any. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Google Puts And End To Fancy Link Schemes: All those &#8220;link trains&#8221; may not help you any. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun</title>
		<link>http://www.shaunlow.com/google-puts-an-end-to-fancy-link-schemes/#comment-919</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.shaunlow.com/google-puts-an-end-to-fancy-link-schemes/#comment-919</guid>
		<description>I have read that the page rank system might be replaced by a "webrank" and I've also heard a bunch of other rumors. i don't really know what is true. Google updates their webmaster guidelines every once and a while and that is where I found this info. You can read the guidelines here: http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&#038;answer=35769 .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read that the page rank system might be replaced by a &#8220;webrank&#8221; and I&#8217;ve also heard a bunch of other rumors. i don&#8217;t really know what is true. Google updates their webmaster guidelines every once and a while and that is where I found this info. You can read the guidelines here: <a href="http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&#038;answer=35769" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&#038;answer=35769</a> .</p>
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		<title>By: nugas</title>
		<link>http://www.shaunlow.com/google-puts-an-end-to-fancy-link-schemes/#comment-906</link>
		<dc:creator>nugas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 02:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.shaunlow.com/google-puts-an-end-to-fancy-link-schemes/#comment-906</guid>
		<description>That was a nice and helpful information. but how did you learn all those stuff. I had read about the new google page rank system too in some other sites and even read all those stuff that are buzzing around are all hoax. I can't believe it. I don't know which one is misleading information.

&lt;a href="http://sagunrai.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;sagunrai &lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was a nice and helpful information. but how did you learn all those stuff. I had read about the new google page rank system too in some other sites and even read all those stuff that are buzzing around are all hoax. I can&#8217;t believe it. I don&#8217;t know which one is misleading information.</p>
<p><a href="http://sagunrai.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">sagunrai </a></p>
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		<title>By: Opal Tribble</title>
		<link>http://www.shaunlow.com/google-puts-an-end-to-fancy-link-schemes/#comment-843</link>
		<dc:creator>Opal Tribble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.shaunlow.com/google-puts-an-end-to-fancy-link-schemes/#comment-843</guid>
		<description>I agree the link trains didn't really hold value with my readers (at least the ones that comment.)  I stopped those very quickly.  I didn't want to turn them off.  They seem to love the shout outs that I do.  Perhaps because those start and end with me?  

The majority actually visit the people I recognize and leave comments on their blog.  I really like that.  I'm not trying to boost my rankings since I'm not tagging anyone to keep the ball rolling.  I'm just saying these people are cool check them out.

I think too many people were bragging about how many links thanks to the link trains and other schemes that were created to boost rankings I even heard a few pro bloggers that weren't happy about it.  I read what they were saying on Matt Cutts blog.  They pull in a lot of money for Google. Anyway it got the big G's attention, lol. 

Also I started seeing spam sites participating in link trains.  I'm at the point where I have some spam site scraping my content at least a few times weekly.  It's annoying.

You know I still get a ping from the last link train I participated in. I believe that was late May or early June.  I wish I could get my name off the list! :-)  You learn from your mistakes.  My newer websites receive links, not as quickly, but my Alexa has dropped and I'm receiving natural links from people I know nothing about.  

It's a great way to meet new people and I bet my other websites will receive more traffic than Vegan Momma because the links are more "natural" actually one of my newer websites actually beats Vegan Momma in traffic per day and it is only four months old, not bad! I also get paid more per click, with Adsense, from that website.  I talk about everything on Vegan Momma.  I only became interested in SEO this past May when I thought about monetizing my websites.

I really liked this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree the link trains didn&#8217;t really hold value with my readers (at least the ones that comment.)  I stopped those very quickly.  I didn&#8217;t want to turn them off.  They seem to love the shout outs that I do.  Perhaps because those start and end with me?  </p>
<p>The majority actually visit the people I recognize and leave comments on their blog.  I really like that.  I&#8217;m not trying to boost my rankings since I&#8217;m not tagging anyone to keep the ball rolling.  I&#8217;m just saying these people are cool check them out.</p>
<p>I think too many people were bragging about how many links thanks to the link trains and other schemes that were created to boost rankings I even heard a few pro bloggers that weren&#8217;t happy about it.  I read what they were saying on Matt Cutts blog.  They pull in a lot of money for Google. Anyway it got the big G&#8217;s attention, lol. </p>
<p>Also I started seeing spam sites participating in link trains.  I&#8217;m at the point where I have some spam site scraping my content at least a few times weekly.  It&#8217;s annoying.</p>
<p>You know I still get a ping from the last link train I participated in. I believe that was late May or early June.  I wish I could get my name off the list! <img src='http://www.shaunlow.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  You learn from your mistakes.  My newer websites receive links, not as quickly, but my Alexa has dropped and I&#8217;m receiving natural links from people I know nothing about.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a great way to meet new people and I bet my other websites will receive more traffic than Vegan Momma because the links are more &#8220;natural&#8221; actually one of my newer websites actually beats Vegan Momma in traffic per day and it is only four months old, not bad! I also get paid more per click, with Adsense, from that website.  I talk about everything on Vegan Momma.  I only became interested in SEO this past May when I thought about monetizing my websites.</p>
<p>I really liked this post.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun</title>
		<link>http://www.shaunlow.com/google-puts-an-end-to-fancy-link-schemes/#comment-842</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.shaunlow.com/google-puts-an-end-to-fancy-link-schemes/#comment-842</guid>
		<description>I participated in 2 link trains and I think that was enough for the next few months here. It doesn't really bring any value to your readers altough they are fun to see your ranks shoot up lol. That would turn really ugly if Google asks people to report or "turn in" people that participate in these link trains. Personally I can see exactly why they don't want people to participate in link trains but reciprocal linking has been going around forever and it doesn't increase someones PR too much. thanks for the comment Opal!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I participated in 2 link trains and I think that was enough for the next few months here. It doesn&#8217;t really bring any value to your readers altough they are fun to see your ranks shoot up lol. That would turn really ugly if Google asks people to report or &#8220;turn in&#8221; people that participate in these link trains. Personally I can see exactly why they don&#8217;t want people to participate in link trains but reciprocal linking has been going around forever and it doesn&#8217;t increase someones PR too much. thanks for the comment Opal!</p>
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		<title>By: Opal Tribble</title>
		<link>http://www.shaunlow.com/google-puts-an-end-to-fancy-link-schemes/#comment-828</link>
		<dc:creator>Opal Tribble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.shaunlow.com/google-puts-an-end-to-fancy-link-schemes/#comment-828</guid>
		<description>I suspected this was going to happen.  I follow Matt Cutts blog very closely and some of the statements made in past post made me suspect this was around the corner.

When I started paying attention and became more active within the blogosphere (May) I participated in link trains until I found out what they could be considered "gaming" so I stopped using them.

I can see how it would be annoying to webmasters that don't participate but they see websites that might not be as good but are ranked higher simply because they have participated in link trains.

I must admit it has me confused.  You see on a weekly basis I have a "movers &#38; shakers list" I mainly focus on new bloggers I have seen during my blog visits and I also spotlight posts that I've seen in my blog visits that I think my readers would enjoy. 

I didn't start it to receive something in return I did it because I honestly like the websites and I know my readers would like them also. I guess I wish I had clarification on this issue.

I wonder if Google will ask people to turn other webmasters in?  I know they requested that people do this with spam websites.

@Joel
Well you know Google, they doesn't always follow the *rules* they create. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspected this was going to happen.  I follow Matt Cutts blog very closely and some of the statements made in past post made me suspect this was around the corner.</p>
<p>When I started paying attention and became more active within the blogosphere (May) I participated in link trains until I found out what they could be considered &#8220;gaming&#8221; so I stopped using them.</p>
<p>I can see how it would be annoying to webmasters that don&#8217;t participate but they see websites that might not be as good but are ranked higher simply because they have participated in link trains.</p>
<p>I must admit it has me confused.  You see on a weekly basis I have a &#8220;movers &amp; shakers list&#8221; I mainly focus on new bloggers I have seen during my blog visits and I also spotlight posts that I&#8217;ve seen in my blog visits that I think my readers would enjoy. </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t start it to receive something in return I did it because I honestly like the websites and I know my readers would like them also. I guess I wish I had clarification on this issue.</p>
<p>I wonder if Google will ask people to turn other webmasters in?  I know they requested that people do this with spam websites.</p>
<p>@Joel<br />
Well you know Google, they doesn&#8217;t always follow the *rules* they create. <img src='http://www.shaunlow.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Joel Lesser</title>
		<link>http://www.shaunlow.com/google-puts-an-end-to-fancy-link-schemes/#comment-814</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Lesser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.shaunlow.com/google-puts-an-end-to-fancy-link-schemes/#comment-814</guid>
		<description>any time you link to a site and they link to you, that's a reciprocal link.   Google links to billions of sites and many of those sites link back to Google.. guess what those are?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>any time you link to a site and they link to you, that&#8217;s a reciprocal link.   Google links to billions of sites and many of those sites link back to Google.. guess what those are?</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun</title>
		<link>http://www.shaunlow.com/google-puts-an-end-to-fancy-link-schemes/#comment-811</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.shaunlow.com/google-puts-an-end-to-fancy-link-schemes/#comment-811</guid>
		<description>very well said, but now the question is what is classified as reciprocal linking? Lets say I linked to one site and they have already linked to me in a previous post, does that classify as reciprocal linking? I like to constantly link to other sites so if the sites I am linking to already have a link to me i might get penalized for breaking googles new rules. it seems kind of stupid to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very well said, but now the question is what is classified as reciprocal linking? Lets say I linked to one site and they have already linked to me in a previous post, does that classify as reciprocal linking? I like to constantly link to other sites so if the sites I am linking to already have a link to me i might get penalized for breaking googles new rules. it seems kind of stupid to me.</p>
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